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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:27 pm 
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inspireme, I agree with you. modi23, relax.


There are 2 main types of captains out there. One is mostly concerned with putting together a fun routine and going to competitions to have fun. The other is mostly concerned with putting together a unique performance and going to competitions to test the merit of his routine.

inspireme is of the second type, as am I. When a team competes, we look for originality and innovation, because that is how you advance an art form. This means that when you put together a routine, you take into careful consideration what has already been done. Although the range of theme, music, and choreography may seem limited, captains of the second type take on the challenge of staying fresh and expect other teams to do the same.

modi23 is of the first type. Like you say several times in your post, you did raas for fun and for people's company. You also assert that captains simply do not have time to go through all of the videos of other teams due to a heavy workload. If captains are not willing or interested in making time to keep track of what has been done, then they should not be offended when they get called out for repeating music, choreography, or a theme. Maybe a captain didn't intend to "steal" a significant element from another team, but if he didn't take proper measures to prevent such "theft", then he has no excuse for when it happens.

When it comes to music, I agree with RML when he says "it's how badly you actually want to look for it." There is a lot of Gujarati music out there that teams can use other than common, played-out songs. New music is hard to find, but if originality is important to a captain, he'll look until he finds new material. (Even if a team uses a common song, they can still remix it to make it different and their own.) The point that inspireme was trying to make (or at least what I took from his post) was that even teams that win national competitions are getting away with using old music that has already proven to work at competitions. Where is the effort and risk in using music that has already been heavily used in competition? There is none, so using old music does not advance the competitive raas dance form. Like anamika said, a new song is fresh and exciting to hear, so the only reason why teams keep repeating the same music must be because captains don't realize the importance of music or just don't care enough to look harder. (Another reason for overlap is that when you pay someone to make your mix they'll often remix a particular song and use it in mixes for multiple teams.)

In short, if you really are in raas only to have fun, then do whatever and use whatever and don't care what people say. But, if the artistic elements of a competitive raas routine are truly important to you, then you better have the original or creative material to back it up. (And if you do, no one will accuse you of "stealing.")


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No more Video Games and Magic themes. What ever happen to good old Cinematic beginnings? Just letting you know that UF didn't win because of the Magic Trick, it actually hurt them in the judging criteria. Most of the judges said it was the weakest section. They only won because their dance was outstanding. Same thing with SLU's Mario (which Northwestern did too). Their theme had nothing to do with the dance, it was just for show.

I have a feeling some team is going to do twilight raas (Team Edward vs Team Jacob). Or another Bad Guy vs Good Guy theme.

Themes to avoid this year:
Clock
Bad Guy vs Good guy
Lion King
Mario Bros. or any video game titles
Turtles
Twilight
Inception
Harry Potter
Las Vegas
Cowboys and Indians
Willy Wonker and Chocolate Factory
Any Disney Titles
Any Dreamwork Titles aka Shrek
Despicable Me
Candyland or any Borad Games example Snakes and Ladders
Rocket ships
Police
Last AirBender
Princess Diaries aka Cinderella
Wizard of OZ
Circus
James Bond
Looney Toons
Mickey Mouse Club
Disco
Star Wars
Star Trek
Lights, Camera, Action themes
Batman
X-men
Power Rangers
you name it don't do it.

Run it through me and I'll tell you if it's smart or not.

Do you see these themes in Bhangra, No, because it's all about the dance. That's why bhangra excels so much. Garba Raas is not limited, I can think of so many styles in Gujurati Folk dance that teams have not displayed to this date.

Especially music, if I hired a gujarati singer and a garba-raas band, I would bang out news songs every month for y'all. But I don't got the money, so y'all need to search hard! Be creative!

I have a feeling that STEP UP 3D will be a heavy influence on these new and veteran teams. Unsure if this is a good thing or bad thing.

All the alumnus agree that last year's garba/raas season went down hill.

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Can one of the RAS judges tell us what were the deciding factors in the placings? Maybe that'll help teams in regards to, I guess, what is more important (like costumes, music, energy, cleanliness,etc).


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I was one of the RAS judges. What do you need to know? I was with the other judges, I can tell you what most of us agreed on

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freaxs03,
I know you're challenging teams not to use themes but like someone already said earlier, almost every competition has some sort of judging criteria for theme/props/gimmicks/etc. So unless all you judges get together and change the way themes are judged, teams have no choice but to incorporate some sort of theme in their routine.


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Hey Freaxs03,

There is an old thread called Act Elements. Would you touch on some of those elements from the perspective of a judge or tell us what other judges thought?

Thanks!


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Nevermind. I think the "If you were a Judge at RAS Nationals..." thread pretty much takes care of it.



The general sentiment has been that this was a poor year for raas. However, just because particular big name teams have disappointed us by failing to live up to their reputations, we shouldn't overlook the progress and contributions made by newer teams. Perhaps we need to see where the talent has shifted and pick new favorites.


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i think a new powerhouse for sure is SLU...past two years they have been awesome

and some teams to watch out for who are on the verge of becoming great are Indiana, Drexel and UPenn...all three had awesome dances this year and im sure they will bring it next year....


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where are the videos for Drexel and UPenn?

I think its crazy that Indiana manages to compete and host a competition. They do both well.


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[quote="freaxs03"] Just letting you know that UF didn't win because of the Magic Trick, it actually hurt them in the judging criteria. Most of the judges said it was the weakest section. They only won because their dance was outstanding. Same thing with SLU's Mario (which Northwestern did too). Their theme had nothing to do with the dance, it was just for show.[/quote]

What was so outstanding about UF's dance? Yes it was clean but from what I saw most of their moves and formations were overdone.( except for the box).

I feel like Drexel, Indiana and SLU had amazing formations at RAS.

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Drexel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc4Z12gsH_w

Upenn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrNiMlk5 ... re=related

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What was so outstanding about UF's dance? Yes it was clean but from what I saw most of their moves and formations were overdone.( except for the box).


Yeah, that's what I was curious about, as in what defined the placings at RAS. Indiana had a nasty dance, UMD was ridiculously clean, UIUC had amazing choreography, and SLU's energy was insane. I have to say that besides the magic tricks in UF's dance, I wasn't really wowed by it. But then again, Freaxs, you said that the theme hurt them. I guess I'm just confused as to what aspect of the dances were considered more important than others in deciding the placings.


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Im not defending Florida to any extent, because I am in agreement with you, however, perhaps its exactly in your words.....you were able to list what each team does great individually...and perhaps florida was the team to put it all collectively at Nationals...they had a bit of everything rather than all of one category



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What was so outstanding about UF's dance? Yes it was clean but from what I saw most of their moves and formations were overdone.( except for the box).


Yeah, that's what I was curious about, as in what defined the placings at RAS. Indiana had a nasty dance, UMD was ridiculously clean, UIUC had amazing choreography, and SLU's energy was insane. I have to say that besides the magic tricks in UF's dance, I wasn't really wowed by it. But then again, Freaxs, you said that the theme hurt them. I guess I'm just confused as to what aspect of the dances were considered more important than others in deciding the placings.


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i agree with the above posts. quite a few people were confused about what exactly it was that UF did to impress the judges. unless it was everything. so if the judges could shed some light on the issue, that would definitely help clear some doubts.

as far as powerhouses for next year go, i think SLU is going to be a force to be reckoned with next year. they've been consistently placing at competition for the past few years. IU is probably the other midwest school that promises to be strong next year. from the east i think Boston, UPenn, and UF will be looking to prove themselves again this year (especially since GW should be out of the picture without their star choreo). and i'm not very familiar with the west coast but i'm gonna put my money on UCIrvine to place at GWA (surprise surprise).


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i agree with the above posts. quite a few people were confused about what exactly it was that UF did to impress the judges. unless it was everything. so if the judges could shed some light on the issue, that would definitely help clear some doubts.

as far as powerhouses for next year go, i think SLU is going to be a force to be reckoned with next year. they've been consistently placing at competition for the past few years. IU is probably the other midwest school that promises to be strong next year. from the east i think Boston, UPenn, and UF will be looking to prove themselves again this year (especially since GW should be out of the picture without their star choreo). and i'm not very familiar with the west coast but i'm gonna put my money on UCIrvine to place at GWA (surprise surprise).


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